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[我的观点] 有关swine flu vaccine 副作用的报道:

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发表于 2009-10-30 11:32:41 | 显示全部楼层
Squalene: The Swine Flu Vaccine’s Dirty Little Secret Exposed

http://educate-yourself.org/vcd/ ... angers17jul09.shtml

白大夫看这篇论文,可信吗?

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发表于 2009-10-30 11:38:29 | 显示全部楼层
下午去一朋友家,她邻居是在药厂做QC,因为工作性质要求注射某些疫苗(比如乙肝疫苗),如果发现抗体转阴就要再接种。前不久发现破抗转阴,于是就再去接种,结果回来以后自身免疫太强导致在床上瘫了一个月,不能上厕所,不能开门,直到丈夫下班回来都不敢喝水。注射激素抑制免疫反应后全身浮肿至今未消。她自己感慨说过于防护反而差点把命送掉。我想她这样的情况是绝对不敢再去注射H1N1疫苗的了。
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发表于 2009-10-30 13:58:39 | 显示全部楼层
政府再怎么也不会拿这么多人做试验吧?!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-30 16:43:35 | 显示全部楼层
CBC刚刚release了一个片断,采访的对象是儿科医生Dr. Roxanne Goldade. 她透露到加拿大疫苗含有少量(有机)汞. 并声称无害. 这是连接:http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Canada/Calgary/ID=1312801509
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-30 16:45:48 | 显示全部楼层
这是一篇题为"H1N1 vaccine safety becomes an issue in Canada"文章,来自digitaljournal.com
Published Oct 23, 2009 by ■ Stephanie Dearing

As Canada gears up to administer the H1N1 vaccine for Monday, concerns about the vaccine's safety are growing. Officials are working to calm the fears of parents while countering the swine flu conspiracies that continue to grow.
With the H1N1 vaccine ready to go in most provinces and territories on Monday, some parents have started asking questions about the use of thimerosal, a form of mercury, and its safety. Both of Canada's adjuvanted and unadjuvanted vaccines contain thimerosal. Health Canada says the small amounts of mercury in the vaccine are safe, and this phrase was repreated Monday by Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq during a press conference.
Health Canada approved the H1N1 vaccine Wednesday and posted information about AREPANRIX. According to the information on Health Canada's website
"... Both vaccines contain a small amount of thimerosal. Thimerosal is a form of mercury used in the H1N1 flu vaccine to stabilize it and maintain its quality during storage. Thimerosal is a different form of mercury than the mercury known to cause health problems. The amount in the H1N1 adjuvanted flu vaccine is much less than the daily limit recommended for environmental exposure to mercury. For example, there is significantly less mercury in the vaccine than you would find in a can of tuna fish ... Yes, the unadjuvanted vaccine does contain 50 ug of thimerosal while the adjuvanted vaccine has only 5 ug of thimerosal. The 50 ug remains within the daily limit recommended for environmental exposure to mercury. There’s significantly less mercury in the vaccine than you would find in a can of tuna fish."
Health Canada has recommended that children under the age of three receive the unadjuvanted vaccine.
Some people believe that thimerosal in vaccines is reponsible for the increasing rates of autism. No matter what one may believe, thimerosal is a hazardous substance. The Material Safety Data Sheet for thimerosal says that chronic exposure can cause mutagenic effects in mammals. The State of California has required products containing harmful metals, or chemicals be labelled with a warning
"This product contains the following ingredients for which the State of California has found to cause cancer, birth defects or other reproductive harm, which would require a warning under the statute: Thimerosal."
The United States did not purchase adjuvanted vaccines, and the nasal (live) vaccine does not contain thimerosol. The United States has not used thimerosal in children's vaccines since 2006.
The adjuvanted vaccine contains an ingredient known as squalene. Scientists say that squalene boosts the effectiveness of the flu vaccine, which means there is more vaccine to go around. The natural substance, produced by the human body, plants and fish, has been used in influenza vaccines since the 1990s. Squalene enhanced vaccines are allowed in Europe, but not the United States. There was an attempt to demonstrate a correlation between squalene and Gulf War syndrome, but that was discredited by a joint international study. The official counterpoint is that people should be more concerned with suffering adverse reactions to the flu.
There is a rampant rumour coursing through North America, as well as other parts of the world, that the H1N1 vaccine is a secret government experiment that will result in the deaths of those who receive the vaccine. An alternative rumour is that the pharmaceutical companies manufactured the H1N1 pandemic in order to profit from the vaccine. Given that some pharmaceutical companies have been found guilty of maximizing profits from their products, this theory is not so far-fetched. However, officials insist the rumours have no basis in reality.
In the United States doctors and nurses said the safety of the H1N1 vaccines had not been proven. The health care workers in New York State felt so strongly they asked for -- and received a restraining order against the State of New York, stopping the state from making the H1N1 vaccination mandatory for health care workers. They also said that the live vaccination could trigger an outbreak of the flu. While other health officials pooh-pooh this assertion, there is, again, a basis in reality. The live polio vaccine has triggered outbreaks of polio in both the United States and China. Canadian health care workers will be among the first to receive the vaccination shots.
Health Canada says that the risks to people from the H1N1 virus are much greater than any safety risk posed by the vaccine, adjuvanted or not.
The adjuvanted vaccine has not been tested for safety on pregnant women. Some doctors say it is safe to use, while others advise that pregnant women should wait for the unadjuvanted vaccine if possible.
AREPANRIX was registered with the World Intellectual Property Organization on May 22, 2007 by GlaxoSmithKline.
Europe is using a vaccine called CELVAPAN H1N1, produced by Baxter. The vaccine is non-adjuvanted. Baxter began work on this vaccine in 2004.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-30 16:59:50 | 显示全部楼层
本人在这个帖子里的发言只是个人观点,请任何他人不要随从. 本人对他人采取的任何行为,无论是否受到本人观点的影响,概不负责.特此声明.

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-10-30 17:05:30 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-11-1 00:03:04 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-11-1 12:01:47 | 显示全部楼层
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近日H1N1型流感又悄然流行起来,安省已有儿童死亡病例发生。特摘抄今年4月广州中医药大学附属第一医院通过国内媒体独家公布的中医预防猪流感方给广大读者做预防之用,防患于未然,过一个健康快乐的冬季。

预防“猪流感”病中药方

桑叶12克、2菊花12克、北杏仁10克、枇杷叶12克、葛根15克、生薏仁15克、芦根15克、桔梗12克、连翘12克、大青叶15克、银花12克、甘草6克,上述中药材洗干净,用水浸过药面,武火煮沸15分钟就可以服用。该方剂口感较好,不建议服用时再加糖。

该院温病教研室主任、博士导师钟嘉熙教授指出,根据公开报道的症状,猪流感与人禽流感、SARS一样,属于中医温病范畴,中医防治的辨证论治原理相近,临床上主张“驱风、清热、化湿”。

为什么方剂中不含广东人熟悉的板蓝根?钟嘉熙指出,根据报道,猪流感病例有腹泻等胃肠道症状,中医认为苦寒伤胃,不主张使用偏苦的板蓝根。

钟嘉熙是广州市非典型肺炎医疗救治中医组组长,2003年曾通过羊城晚报独家公布非典预防的中医药方。

(注:以上药方引自网络文章,仅作预防之用,不能用作病理治疗。建议读者:如发现流感症状,请立刻联系家庭医生,或去医院就医。)

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这里说‘不主张使用偏苦的板蓝根’,白大夫觉得呢?
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-1 19:39:25 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 China_yan 于 2009-11-1 19:42 编辑

国内的疫苗好像是无佐剂的,如果确实是这样的话,国内的疫苗应该没有来自佐剂的问题,可以放心得多。
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发表于 2009-11-2 12:03:11 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-11-2 14:32:59 | 显示全部楼层
白大夫,快来答疑!

我家庭医生说过2周我可以打无佐剂的疫苗,你说我打还是不打,我估计那时是18周左右。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-2 16:12:06 | 显示全部楼层
先问问国内的和加拿大的无佐剂疫苗含不含有有机汞(Thimerosal or Thiomersal。)
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发表于 2009-11-2 22:12:46 | 显示全部楼层
听说汞的含量很微弱,还没有一个鱼罐头的含量多,就是说在人体可接受的安全范围以内。

白医生怎么看待这问题?
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发表于 2009-11-2 23:06:58 | 显示全部楼层
听说汞的含量很微弱,还没有一个鱼罐头的含量多,就是说在人体可接受的安全范围以内。

白医生怎么看待这问题?
未飘落的雪 发表于 2009-11-2 22:12


问题是疫苗里面的汞是直接打进你的血管里,而鱼罐头里的汞是要通过你的消化道才能吸收,多了一层屏障啊。现在使用有机汞的注射液越来越少,也说明仍然是存在安全性问题的。忘了在哪里看到的了,没有佐剂的H1N1疫苗中有机汞的含量是有佐剂疫苗的10倍。

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发表于 2009-11-3 00:17:17 | 显示全部楼层
问题是疫苗里面的汞是直接打进你的血管里,而鱼罐头里的汞是要通过你的消化道才能吸收,多了一层屏障啊。现在使用有机汞的注射液越来越少,也说明仍然是存在安全性问题的。忘了在哪里看到的了,没有佐剂的H1N1疫苗 ...
morriconean 发表于 2009-11-2 23:06
这么说来还是有些可怕的,毕竟吃进去的跟进直接打进血管里的不同。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-3 01:09:56 | 显示全部楼层
近日H1N1型流感又悄然流行起来,安省已有儿童死亡病例发生。特摘抄今年4月广州中医药大学附属第一医院通过国内媒体独家公布的中医预防猪流感方给广大读者做预防之用,防患于未然,过一个健康快乐的冬季。

预防“猪 ...
jiayi 发表于 2009-11-1 12:01

中医理论对俺来讲难如天书,虽然学过半年,但最多学到了皮毛上的一颗小脱落。
味道苦的药中医认为偏寒,易“滑肠”,不用板蓝根可以理解。
但感冒病毒感染引起腹泻,或以腹泻为首发症状或唯一症状的很常见,如果腹泻不严重,而且板蓝根冲剂不含双糖(如蔗糖),因该可以用。如果苦,可以加点葡萄糖。双糖会加重腹泻。主要取板蓝根的对抗病毒作用。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-3 01:14:30 | 显示全部楼层
听说汞的含量很微弱,还没有一个鱼罐头的含量多,就是说在人体可接受的安全范围以内。

白医生怎么看待这问题?
未飘落的雪 发表于 2009-11-2 22:12

这个汞和那个汞不一样。美国研究发现,疫苗里的汞剂会虽然含量小,不会引发日本水俣病那样的慢性中毒,但会引起儿童精神问题,如儿童孤僻症。西方国家儿童孤僻多发原因之一很可能就是广泛使用含汞疫苗。

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-3 01:22:36 | 显示全部楼层
白大夫:
请问感冒前吃双黄连口服液会不会有效果?

另:如果要增强免疫力,除了营养的食物以外,每天吃2颗“21金维他”会不会有副作用?这个药是否含有激素?13岁孩子是否可以吃? ...
亦汐 发表于 2009-10-30 11:03

双黄莲也是抗病毒的因该可以。
21金维他是维生素和微量元素的补充剂,说明书上没有激素,因该不会添加激素。好像12岁以下不易服用,也可能是14岁以下,看看说明即可。每天2颗虽然可能不会有副作用,但太浪费了吧?一颗就行了,又不是每天不吃饭。
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发表于 2009-11-3 04:01:44 | 显示全部楼层
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