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发表于 2009-1-22 23:37:32 | 显示全部楼层

建议精灵理清思路

精灵是个热心人,那会在网上发的帖子真有用啊!现在我们在这边也帮不上什么忙,提个小建议吧。

所有的官司,其实都是一样的,讲白了就是:

如果当被告,搞清楚别人告你什么,她是依据什么法律告的,根据这个法律或者其他有关的法律,举出各种证据来证明他告你是错的,同时努力驳斥她的各种证据。法官也好,仲裁也好,都是一个相对独立的中间人,根据双方的陈述和举证来判断。

免费的律师不要太指望,运气好也就罢了,运气不好碰上实习生之类的,不一定能搞好,而且律师最多是熟悉法条,举证还是在自己。

所以,建议精灵理清思路:
1.对方告你的文书,除了法庭通知,还有没有什么具体的文件,弄清楚她是根据什么法,认为你违反了哪几条,她受到了那些侵害,因此主张你如何赔偿。对方写的东西一定要看清楚,看明白(不知道是中文还是E文),必须“以子之矛,攻子之盾”
如果方便,建议精灵把对方的文书抹去关键字贴上来,然后大家帮你广开思路,总结可以搜集证据的各个方面。
2.针对她的要求,收集证据,证明:(依次递进)
第一,你没有违反某条法律-像退租的问题,从目前精灵的描述看,你们圣诞前通知房东搬家,29号就搬了,确实是没有“提前一个月书面通知”。但是,虽然我没有看过加拿大的法律,但我估计百分之八十以上的可能,有关法律里会有这样的规定:通常是要提前一个月通知的,但是在紧急情况下,比如这个房子的状态已经完全不适合正常居住了-漏雨漏的住不下去了-这个你们也很好举证,修房子的公司应该有纪录的,加上天气下雨下雪的纪录-可以提前终止租约。所以就像这种法条,多找找看有没有。
明天上班有空帮你研究租客条例,一定要找出对自己有利的法条来。
第二,她没有受到某些侵害
第三,即使她受到某些侵害,但这个不是你们引起的(比如说老鼠的问题)
还可以进一步举证第四个层次,即她的某些行为违反了某些法,她的某些行为让你们受到了那些侵害

同时,还有一个很重要的方面是分析对方的证据,寻找可能反驳她的证据。

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发表于 2009-1-23 03:01:29 | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-23 03:42:42 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 林冲 于 2009-1-21 16:47 发表
你的狗狗是什么品种?
从国内带到温哥华手续麻烦么?
有图片么?

两只都是杂种,老大是杂种松狮,养了快10年了;老二是被人抛弃的,杂种吉娃娃,3年前我捡回来的。
带狗来的手续一大堆,很麻烦,老公耗时一个多月,跑了38次,才办完。具体的,只有他知道,等他空了,让他告诉你。

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发表于 2009-1-23 12:45:19 | 显示全部楼层
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发表于 2009-1-23 15:02:26 | 显示全部楼层

http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/co/reho/yogureho/fash/fash_002.cfm

HCMC        网站上关于BC省租房的 介绍
相当于法律解读吧,对照精灵的情况来看看.
似乎有的对精灵有利,有的似乎不太有利.
其实从法律角度大概双方都有不合法的地方,就看谁会钻空子了.


Governing or Regulatory Body管理主体

Residential Tenancy Branch, Office of Housing and Construction Standards, Ministry of Forests and Range

Name of Act / Regulations主要法律法规

Residential Tenancy Act
Residential Tenancy Regulation

Manufactured Home Park Tenancy Act
Manufactured Home Park Tenancy Regulation
Types of Housing/Living Arrangements Covered by the Provincial Legislation

Residential premises including manufactured home parks and accommodations with exclusive possession by the tenants.

Exclusions:范围(略)


Types of Rental Periods租期

In British Columbia most tenancy agreements have a predetermined expiry date. The tenancy agreement can be for a fixed term or a period that relates to a calendar week, month, or year. Most tenancies are month to month.

Is a signed lease required?是否必须签约

Yes. British Columbia laws require a written tenancy agreement. Many fixed-term tenancy agreements are referred to as leases. A landlord is obligated to give the tenant a copy of the tenancy agreement within 21 days of signing.
(前面写道你们是正式有租约的,把租约拿出来研究研究,看里面关于解除合同是怎么规定的)
Is a signed move in/move out condition report required?
(你们签约的时候检查房屋和家具和状态了么?)

Yes, for residential premises, but not for manufactured home sites. As of January 1, 2004 it is mandatory for landlords and tenants to conduct ingoing and outgoing inspections and complete ingoing and outgoing Condition Inspection Reports. If the reports are not completed, the landlord or tenant runs the risk of jeopardizing their security deposit.

Deposits定金

The maximum security deposit for residential premises allowed is ½ month's rent. If tenants pay more than ½ month's rent, they can deduct this overpayment from any rent owing. However, if the landlord allows pets they can also ask for an additional ½ month’s rent. This is called a “pet damage deposit”. This means that in this case the total combined deposits can be up to one month’s rent. Landlords can also require deposits for additional keys, garage door openers, etc. in addition to the security and pet damage deposits.

A landlord can request the security deposit only at the time the tenancy agreement is entered into, but can request a pet damage deposit at any time during the tenancy if a pet is introduced. The interest rate on these deposits is based on 4.5 percentage points below prime on January 1st. Landlords have 15 days after the tenant moves out, or provides a forwarding address, to either return the deposit or get the tenant's written consent for deductions to the deposit (such as using the deposit to pay a portion of the last month's unpaid rent). If no consent is received, landlord must apply to a dispute resolution officer to keep some or all of the security deposit within the 15 day time frame. A pet damage deposit can only be used for damage caused by a pet and not for any other cost the landlord incurs.

Security deposits and pet damage deposits are not permitted for manufactured home site rentals.

Key Money钥匙金

The landlord must not charge a fee for a key that is the tenant's only means of access. The landlord may charge a fee for additional or replacement keys.

Post-dated Cheques不懂,是写好日期的支票?

Landlords may request post-dated cheques.

Renewal of Tenancy Agreement Term续约

A lease must specify an ending date with vacant possession (the date by which the tenant must vacate the premises). If no date is specified, the lease automatically converts to a month-to-month tenancy and all terms in the agreement remain the same.

Terminating a Tenancy: Notice and Timing中止

Prior to a fixed term tenancy agreement expiring, it is the responsibility of landlord and tenant to either re-negotiate terms or terminate the tenancy agreement. Tenants who give written notice to end a fixed term tenancy agreement prior to the expiry date may be held accountable for all costs the landlord incurs in re-renting including lost rent. Landlords may end a tenancy only for specified reasons as set out in the legislation and cannot end a tenancy simply because a fixed term has expired unless the language of the lease specifies the tenant will vacate at the end of the term. When a fixed term tenancy reverts to a month to month tenancy, the landlord cannot force a tenant to sign another lease or agree to another fixed term. When a lease is renewed, landlords and tenants may agree to the same or different terms.

Early termination can be ordered by a dispute resolution officer where there are serious situations involving safety, cause or conduct. All other tenancies are ended: by the landlord on a Notice to End Tenancy form; on written notice by the tenant; or by written agreement between the parties.

我觉得这个对精灵很不利,不知道ACT里面具体对应的法条到底是怎么表述的,从目前情况看,即使你单方搬出了,其实你们的租约并不算解除.
探讨一种可能:精灵是不是现在应该去主管机构起诉房东,提出由于紧急情况危及安全(漏雨等)要求中止合同?得到支持以后,合同可以正常解除,这样陪一个月房租的问题就解决了,否则从你说的看,圣诞节前说要搬家,29号就搬了,确实不符合提前一个月书面通知的条件.讲白了就是你们早就可以去告状,结果被恶人先告状.

损坏物品的问题,倒是不用担心,一个是你们当初租约里面有没有一些物品状态的约定,还有当时有没有一些照片或者是人证证明东西是坏的.房东的照片只能说明东西是坏的,除非他真敢做伪证,否则他没有证据证明是你们弄坏的,而且你离开房子的时候又没有跟她确认那些东西是坏的.你LG当时交还钥匙的时候有无人证?从29号到现在,屋子处于房东控制之下,谁知道是谁弄坏的.屋子外面的东西她更没证据了.

A tenant must give one calendar month's notice in writing to the landlord the day before the rent is due. If the landlord wishes to end a tenancy, one of the province's approved Notice to End a Tenancy form must be used.

Landlords must allow tenants these notice periods depending on the reason for notice given:关于房东中止通知的时间

10 days for non-payment of rent,
1 month for cause or conduct,
2 months for landlord's use of property in a residential tenancy.
2 months if the tenant ceases to qualify for a subsidized rental unit in residential tenancy
12 months for the landlord's use of property in a manufactured home site  
Assignments and Sublets

Unless a landlord consents in writing, a tenant must not assign or sublet a tenancy agreement. If a fixed term tenancy is longer than 6 months, or for a manufactured home site tenancy, a tenant may sublet or assign a lease. All information about the new tenant for the sublet or assignment must be in writing, and in the case of a manufactured home site tenancy, the request must be in the prescribed “ Request For Consent To Assign a Manufactured Home Site Tenancy Agreement” form. The landlord must have a valid reason to withhold consent. The landlord has the right to approve the assignment or sublet, but cannot arbitrarily withhold consent.

Rent Increases: Notice and Timing加租金

British Columbia now has rent control. Landlords must use the approved form “Notice of Rent Increase” and give the tenant 3 month’s notice to increase rent. Tenants can not dispute the rent increase unless the increase is more than the allowable amount. In 2008 rent increases are capped at 3.8 %.

For manufactured home park tenancies, landlords can also recover costs due to increased utility fees and property taxes as long as increases are distributed proportionately among tenants. In this situation, landlords must provide tenants with copies of the receipts and tax notices that justify the rent increase.

Late Rent Payments迟付租金

Rent is considered late if not paid on or before the first day of the rental period. Landlords may request reasonable charges for late payment, based on what the lease or tenancy agreement states.

Evictions驱逐

There are several reasons why a landlord may evict a tenant and the rules that apply to them differ. They are:

Material breach of a rental agreement is the reason used if the tenant is in breach of the agreement and has been given one written warning and a reasonable time to comply, or correct the breach. Breach of agreement requires one month's notice.
Non payment of rent requires 10 days notice. The tenant may cancel the eviction notice by paying rent within five days. Similarly, a tenant may apply for dispute resolution within that same five-day period. Otherwise, the tenant must vacate in 10 days.
Cause or conduct requires one month’s notice; a tenant has 10 days to apply for dispute resolution.
Landlord's use of property requires 2 month's notice with a 15-day dispute period. Landlords are required to pay the equivalent of 1 month’s rent to the tenant on or before the effective date of the end of tenancy. For manufactured home sites, 12 month's notice is required with a 15 day dispute period.
Tenant ceases to qualify for subsidized rental unit (residential tenancy) requires 2 month's notice with 15-day dispute period.
If disputed, the Landlord must prove through evidence that there is a valid reason to end the tenancy.

If a tenant does not dispute the Notice to End Tenancy, then it is deemed that the tenant has accepted the end of tenancy. If tenant does not move, the landlord may apply for a dispute resolution officer's order of possession, which is enforced through the Supreme Court, by a bailiff.

A dispute resolution officer’s decision or order is final and binding. It may be reviewed by the Residential Tenancy Office if the initial decision was obtained by fraud, if evidence arises that was not available at the time of the hearing or if a party was not able to attend because of an unforeseen circumstance, such as a bridge collapse. In addition, either party may petition the BC Supreme Court for a Judicial Review on the basis of an error in law, or an error in procedural fairness.

Fine Points
Permitting Landlord Entry to the Premises (Times and Reasons)房东进入许可

Landlords must give a minimum 24-hour up to a maximum of 30 days written notice stating the time and purpose of entry, unless either the tenant consents or there is an emergency. Non-emergency entry is allowed between 8 a.m. and 9 p.m. If notice is not served in person, it must be taped on the door or served in the mailbox and 3 days must pass before the landlord enters the premises. The Landlord may enter if a dispute resolution officer issues an order to enter. The tenant may refuse entry if either no reason is given or it is unreasonable according to the dispute resolution officer.

May the tenant withhold rent for repairs?房客拒绝

Withholding rent for repairs is not allowed unless the dispute resolution officer gives an order to do so. Tenants can deduct the cost of emergency repairs from rent owing. The tenant can also recover the amount through dispute resolution if they tried on 2 occasions to notify the landlord within a reasonable period about the emergency and were unsuccessful. Also, the landlord may take over the completion of emergency repairs at any time.

Changing Locks换锁

If a tenant can prove the landlord entered the premises illegally, it is possible to apply to a dispute resolution officer for an order for a lock change (residential tenancies). With this order, the landlord will not have a right to a key until the tenancy ends, and may enter the premises only in accordance with the dispute resolution officer's order.

Pets and Smoking吸烟 宠物

May a landlord refuse to rent to a tenant who has pets or smokes?

Yes, a landlord may refuse to rent to a tenant who has pets or smokes. If smoking and pets are allowed in the tenancy agreement, or the agreement does not address these issues, then they are permitted in the rental unit.

If a no pets and no smoking clause is written into a lease and the landlord discovers that the tenant has a pet and/or smokes in the rental unit, is this grounds for the landlord to evict the tenant?

Terms stating "no smoking and no pets" in the tenancy agreement signed by the tenant are legally binding as long as they specify the type of pets that are restricted, for example “no pets such as dogs or cats”.

If a landlord discovers that the tenant is in violation of the rental agreement either by acquiring a pet, or by smoking, a written warning (called a breach letter) must be issued. The letter must state that the tenant must comply with the rental agreement, or the tenant will face eviction if they either do not get rid of the pet within a reasonable period of time, or if they do not stop smoking in the rental unit.

The termination process cannot begin until the landlord has issued the breach letter.

Contact Information
For general information about renting in British Columbia contact:
下面这些资源,建议精灵好好研究,GOOD LUCK!

Residential Tenancy Head Office
1st floor, 1019 Wharf Street
Victoria, BC
V8V 1X4
Lower Mainland: 604-660-1020
Victoria: 387-1602
Elsewhere in BC: 1-800-665-8779
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca
See Web site for branch office locations.

Related Links
Residential Tenancy Act
http://www.qp.gov.bc.ca/statreg/stat/R/02078_01.htm

Residential Tenancy Office (RTO)
The RTO administers the Residential Tenancy Act (Act) throughout the province. This main page gives a basic overview of the RTO, with links to other valuable sections.
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca

Publications and Reports
Links to various brief RTO publications.
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/content/publications/default.aspx

Forms and Applications
A collection of online forms (PDF files) for both residential rental units and Manufactured Home Park tenancies.
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/content/formsFees/default.aspx

Security Deposit Interest Rates and Calculator
A downloadable program (PC compatible) designed to help landlords and tenants calculate security deposit interest.
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/content/calculator/

Fact Sheets
Short summaries of important landlord topics such as entering into a tenancy, dispute resolution, dispute resolution officer's decisions and orders and the end of a tenancy.
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/content/publications/factSheets.aspx

Sample Residential Tenancy Agreement
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/documents/RTB-1.pdf

Sample Manufactured Home Site Tenancy Agreement
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/documents/RTB-5.pdf

A Guide for Landlords and Tenants in British Columbia
This online guide is very detailed and useful.
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/documents/GL01.pdf

The Residential Tenancy Policy Guidelines
These guidelines clarify the responsibilities of landlords and tenants under the Residential Tenancy Act and cover issues such as: the maintenance, cleaning and repair of residential premises; the obligations of landlords and tenants with respect to services and facilities; the right to quiet enjoyment of the premises; and damage claims. It offers very useful clarifications.
http://www.rto.gov.bc.ca/content/publications/policy.aspx

BC Housing.org
The Web site of BC Housing, a crown agency that delivers the provincial government's social housing programs (commonly known as affordable housing programs).
http://www.bchousing.org/

BC Non-Profit Housing Association
This non-profit's mission is to provide "... leadership and support to members in creating and supporting a high standard of affordable housing throughout British Columbia." The Web site provides information on the organization and its services.
http://www.bcnpha.ca/


Tenant Resource and Advisory Centre
A coalition of groups working on behalf of BC's tenants. They promote the handbook, "Tenant Survival Guide".
http://www.tenants.bc.ca/



Tenant Survival Guide
The Web site of the Tenants Rights Action Coalition, this site provides information about the organization and fact sheets. It also includes an online version of Tenant Survival Guide, a popular print publication.
http://www.tenants.bc.ca/factsheets/TSG-web.htm

Co-operative Housing Federation of BC (CHF BC)
The Web site of CHF BC, a co-operative association whose members are housing co-ops and related organizations in British Columbia.
http://www.chf.bc.ca

BC Public Interest Advocacy Centre
A non-profit, public interest law office that provides "... representation to groups that would not otherwise have the resources to effectively assert their interests."
http://www.bcpiac.com/

Information for Seniors
A section of the Residential Tenancy Office dedicated to seniors, with information on things like shelter, homeowner grants and subsidized housing.
http://www.cserv.gov.bc.ca/seniors/guide/index.htm


B.C. Apartment Owners and Managers Association (BCAOMA)
Promotes the interests and rights of apartment owners.
http://www.bcapartmentowners.com

Rental Owners and Managers Society of BC (ROMS BC)
Provides services, products and representation to over 750 rental owners, who manage nearly 20,000 residential rental units throughout British Columbia.
http://www.suites-bc.com

Downtown Eastside Resident's Association (D.E.R.A.)
Works to provide a number of services to residents in the area including housing, community and recreational facilities, parkspace, and community-based neighbourhood planning.
http://www.dera.bc.ca

Shelter Aid for Elderly Renters (SAFER)
Provides direct cash assistance to British Columbians aged 60 or older who pay rent for their homes. On average, seniors involved in the SAFER program receive $169 a month.
Tel.: 1-800-257-7756
Email: ApplicantandSAFERenquiries@bchousing.org

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发表于 2009-1-23 15:12:01 | 显示全部楼层

法律条文

RESIDENTIAL TENANCY REGULATION

RESIDENTIAL TENANCY ACT

dispute resolution rules of procedure

有兴趣的就慢慢看吧.我觉得语言和结构倒是不复杂,就是太长......

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发表于 2009-1-23 23:36:52 | 显示全部楼层
不了解那边的情况,所以没有办法给什么好的建议,不过相信越来越坚强的楼主一定能度过这一关!!

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-24 02:18:08 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 FCH 于 2009-1-20 05:27 发表


嗯,其实,房东的气急败坏,倒变成了雪中送炭了,呵呵。。。试想,如果他没有给你那些照片,他不告你损坏,而只告你违约,我倒不同意租客联盟的看法,我觉得如果他只告你提前搬走,没有给足够的通知期,你走的时候又没有拍任何的“不适合 ...


我听说凡是房东和租客发生纠纷,他们讲的故事都是不同的。关键是证据,让事实说话。我无法找到维修的师傅,不能直接证明房子漏水,所以很着急。我想申请Substituted Service,让Residential Tenancy Branch出面调查,至于结果如何,还不知道。

FCH老大,免费的法律援助律师申请不到。 我们夫妻虽然属于低收入,但国内有房产,银行存款也超出了他们的服务范围,只能靠自己和论坛里的各位老大帮忙了。
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发表于 2009-1-24 04:30:52 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 自由的精灵 于 2009-1-23 11:18 发表

我听说凡是房东和租客发生纠纷,他们讲的故事都是不同的。关键是证据,让事实说话。我无法找到维修的师傅,不能直接证明房子漏水,所以很着急。我想申请Substituted Service,让Residential Tenancy Branch出面调查,至于结果 ...


如果我是你,会这么想:

第一,我的最大损失是什么?想想,其实并不是承受不了的!最怕心理已经受到了影响,那样,不管房东输赢,她的目的都达到了一多半了。如果你能把心理状态调整好,沉着应战,也基本上成功了一半了;

第二,尽量把问题简化。法律条文那么多,对不熟悉本地情况的新移民,更是无从入手。其实,仔细看看,真正适合你们情况的条文,就是那么几条:

你们的搬出,已经构成了合同终止,因为:第44条(d): the tenant vacates or abandons the rental unit;

但是,你们没有提前1个月通知,没有住满6个月规定期,你们的理由:第45条3:If a landlord has failed to comply with a material term of the tenancy agreement or, in relation to an assisted or supported living tenancy, of the service agreement, and has not corrected the situation within a reasonable period after the tenant gives written notice of the failure, the tenant may end the tenancy effective on a date that is after the date the landlord receives the notice.,而房东所没有执行的,应该就是那个:23条5:Both the landlord and tenant must sign the condition inspection report and the landlord must give the tenant a copy of that report in accordance with the regulations。其它的,好象不能找到她的问题,因为她在得到你通知后,的确有去做维修。。。

我看了其它条文,似乎比较难被你用到,主要是你们没有给她一个书面通知(这一点有些被动),也没有很多直接证明房屋不适合居住的证据(可能走得太急,当时也没有想到会有仲裁程序,这个是所有租客可以吸取的)。

以上是自己心理有数的。那如何应对仲裁官,未必需要,其实最好不要,直接去引用那些条文,只是在申辩的时候,侧重那些方面就好了。ruibin提到的那些点,都是不错的参考。我觉得,其中更侧重能提供实证的要点,会更好,比如:在看房子的时候,没有办法发现一些隐藏的本身却存在的问题(比如那个水管被遮盖着。。。),一定要表达出隐藏的意思;这一点直截引证了对方不签“condition inspection report"的企图,主要考虑如何表达得更充分。置于如何证明,可以向裁判官提出对方曾经找过维修师傅,那么,如果需要,相信裁判官会让对方找那个师傅来作证的;

因为你这里证据有限,可以做的也确实不多了。主要是等对方出错,以及回应她的指控。

如果没有翻译,我还是建议你列一下要对裁判官说的内容,不至于漏了什么。
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另外,希望你已经把房东在你们搬走后,她马上又登出的广告保留好!这一点,或许对证明“她已经实际上接受你们搬走,撤销租约”有帮助。

而你最需要的,就是要证实这一点。又是对方给你“送的礼”,呵呵。

如果能证实她同意你走的,就不会构成违约的罚款;而那个押金肯定是可以拿回来的,维修费肯定不会让你出的。

因为没有书面的通知,增加了困难。

所以,总结:第一,能证明她隐藏一些房子条件,使合同失效,也就是上面那个帖子说的;第二,证明她同意你们走的,就是这个帖子说的。做到这两点,基本上就是全胜了。

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刚刚在别的论坛看到一个实例,与楼主的遭遇有相似之处。转贴过来供你们参考。

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六、与恶房东大战三百回合之又见法庭(上)

(本来关于题目还有一个不成熟的考虑,但是鉴于保持淑女身份就凑合用这个吧,呵呵)


众位贤看官读罢“搬家风云录(下)”后,想必已经对我与前台湾房东的夙愿略知一二。此人先于我们租房时欺瞒其所出租房为半地下室;后又在签约时企图变更之前的口头协议,多次流露出不诚实厚道的本性。但是直到我们租赁关系结束前我仍然宁愿相信这些都不是出于“故意”。初来乍到的我们当然不愿意惹是非上身,可有些时候,树欲静而风不止,麻烦是会主动找上你的……

我们决定搬到DOWNTOWN后,我就立刻通知了房东,她当时表示没问题。我们本来应该11月1日搬到新公寓,但是那天不是周末,我们都要上班,因此新公寓的管理员很nice地允许我们提前五天,在周末搬进来。

于是在搬家之前的几天,我又给台湾房东打电话,告诉她我们周末就要搬出去,然后问她怎么交接钥匙和押金等。她说:“ok,不过你们要负责清洗地毯。”我说:“我们只住了两个月而已,地毯的清洗周期是半年,不用洗这么勤吧?”她坚持要我们洗,后来我想也无所谓了,何必弄得不愉快,就同意了。她又跟我说她以前经常找一家公司清洗地毯,如果我不知道好的公司,她可以帮我找那家公司。我说,可以,但是你要先告诉我们他们公司的报价。如果价格合理就找他们洗,然后我付钱。就这样,她说你先搬出去,到时候找好公司洗好地毯,我们再一起结账、交钥匙,房子我也不着急租出去,所以可以慢慢来。

于是,那个周末我们就搬出去了,之后我每次打电话给她,她总说她还不知道那个公司清洗地毯的价格,之间我自己也给几家清洁公司打电话询价,想如果她说的公司价格不合理,我就自己找。因为她的房子只有两间卧室铺地毯,所以清洗地毯的报价在50元到80元之间。

搬出去过了四、五天她仍然毫无消息,我又打电话,这次她说:“我在外地,我女儿已经找清洁公司把整个房间都打扫了。”

                               
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我当然立刻问:“为什么之前没有给我报价呢?价格是多少?”她说她女儿给我们打电话我们都不接,价格要等她回温哥华才知道。简直是放屁,我们手机上从来没有来自他们的未接电话。我看她总是吞吞吐吐的不肯报价,就已经知道她肯定没安好心了。但是我实在没想到她那么贪婪!


又过了两天,她终于打电话给我,说清洁费一共花了280刀,另外她放在厨房里面的旧木头餐桌上面有一个白色的印,认为一定是我们烫伤的,这个桌子其实又新又值钱,她很心疼,找人把桌子抬走,表面磨平,重新刷了两遍漆才终于恢复原状,共花费了130刀,因此她将从我450刀的押金里刨除上述所有费用共410刀,并十分友善的问我:“所以我把剩下的40刀用支票寄给你,你看好么?”我当时坐在天铁上,听着她狮子大开口的一通漫天要价,已经气得快说不出话来。我说:“你擅自作主花了这么多钱,我不认为我有支付这些款项的义务,至于你的餐桌,我们很少用,每次用也都用了隔热垫,你有什么证据证明是我们烫坏的么?”她说:“280刀已经很便宜了,你们前面的房客走的时候我们帮他们找的清洁公司,花了310刀呢!这次是我女儿帮你们讲了价才降到280刀的。”我这才想起来,我们之前搬进来的时候两个国内来的留学生正搬出去,而且后来,我们向房东要多一把房间钥匙,他们拖了很久才给我们,看来也是因为清洁费用发生过纠纷,人家才迟迟不还钥匙。看来我们精明的台湾房东是吃定了大陆来的留学生和新移民了。于是我说:“好吧,既然如此我只好向有关部门咨询一下再决定怎么做了。”挂断电话,正好有个朋友打进电话来,我当时竟然因为气愤哽咽得说不出话。

六、与恶房东大战三百回合之又见法庭(下)

收到裁决,往往不是事情的结束,而很可能只是个开始。这种判决、裁定执行难的情况不止存在于国内,在加拿大也普遍存在。而我的前房东又恰恰是一个既不知法懂法,又藐视法律权威的人,为了真正让她明白做一切事情都要以合法为前提的浅显道理,我只好延长了对她的教育进程,又单独为她开了“小灶”。

                               
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这样虽然浪费了我一些时间,但也是对自己的一种锻炼,同时,不让她受到教训,她印象不深。

                               
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看到这里,聪明的各位必定已经猜出仲裁作出后,我的前房东拒不执行裁决,同时,她也没有按照规定在15日内提出复议请求。虽然我又宽容的多等了她十几天,她仍然毫无动静。于是我又研究好相关法定程序规定,准备好一切相关文件,雄赳赳气昂昂地操着一口夹生英语直奔BC省法院而去。

                               
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在接待处,我很腼腆(嘿嘿)地对那个Officer说:“先生,我要申请强制执行。”先生一看,这么斯文的一位新移民,一定是被逼无奈才走到这一步,可怜哪,二话没说,三下五除二帮我把所有的申请表填好(还真不太好填),他还说,我们通常是不能帮助填表的,但是今天刚好不忙。我赶紧连声道谢。幸运啊!

                               
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于是经过一番折腾,法院又给我安排了一个Payment hearing,并把我所有的申请
费用和送达传票的费用及延迟支付的利息加在一起共一百多刀,加在之前裁决的总金额上,要求我的前房东一并支付。哈哈哈,活该!

                               
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这边的法院有一点和国内不同,要求当事人自己负责送达传票,而且要送给对方当事人本人,即便是送达给她的家属都不可以。这的确有一定难度,特别是对方如果知道这个规定而故意躲避就更加麻烦。但是法院允许申请人雇用专门的送达人——process server,并且费用将由被申请人支付。于是我雇用了一名process server,从此他时常在我前房东的房前宅后出没监视,直到有一天,那个台湾女人终于出现了,他立刻飞身上前把传票塞在她手里,惊得她目瞪口呆,终于完成了艰巨的送达任务。

                               
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终于在法庭上我又一次见到了久违的前房东(之前她一直拒接电话也没露过面),她带着她的女儿做翻译,(不明白为什么她来了那么多年还不说英语)法官问她想怎么还债(她是作为我的债务人出庭的),她们说不明白为什么债务比以前的判决增加了一百多刀,法官正要翻阅卷宗材料,我说:“法官大人,我可以发言么?”法官大人道:“准奏。”(呵呵

                               
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)于是我告诉我的债务人:“因为按照法律规定你应该在收到裁决后15日内支付你的债务,而你完全无视法律的权威,因此我申请了强制执行,现在你所多付的费用就是强制执行的花费。你的行为不仅浪费了我们大家的时间,还浪费了司法资源。”我肯定法官大人在此期间对我微微一笑,一闪而过,但是很狡诘、很亲切。

                               
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她们又东扯西扯的想挽回局面,但是法官已经没有耐心听下去,直接向她们施压:“今天的听证是要解决你们如何偿还债务的问题,你明白了没有?到底如何支付?”她没有办法,拿出支票要写。我赶紧说:“对不起,法官大人,我希望她支付现金,免得将来再生枝节。或者除非她用certified cheque我也可以接受。”于是在法官的要求下她们付了现金给我,听证结束,我谢过法官大人,转身出了法庭,再看我的前房东已经灰溜溜的从另一条路走远了。于是给正在上班的老公同学打电话:“大功告成!晚上去庆祝下!”

                               
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终于这场历时半年之久的诉讼风波胜利收尾。我从中学到很多东西,也得到很多锻炼,从一开始的小心翼翼,到后来多次往返法院如履平地

                               
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,有些朋友劝我找个翻译陪我上法庭,我还是坚持自己去了,事实证明,我可以做到。也许在此,我还应该感谢那位前房东,是她的作为迫使我强硬起来,在这片异国
的土地上首次寻求司法救济,使我通过锻炼更加增强了自信,不再让语言劣势过多局限我的能力和智慧。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-25 02:37:58 | 显示全部楼层
“也许在此,我还应该感谢那位前房东,是她的作为迫使我强硬起来,在这片异国的土地上首次寻求司法救济,使我通过锻炼更加增强了自信,不再让语言劣势过多局限我的能力和智慧”。
做的好啊!我也要接受锻炼!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-25 02:39:52 | 显示全部楼层
如果我是你,会这么想:

第一,我的最大损失是什么?想想,其实并不是承受不了的!最怕心理已经受到了影响,那样,不管房东输赢,她的目的都达到了一多半了。如果你能把心理状态调整好,沉着应战,也基本上成功了一半了;

谢谢FCH老大,帮我解除了精神负担,我决定卸下包袱,沉着应战。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-25 02:41:00 | 显示全部楼层
过年了,国内现在就是打年30吧?
给论坛里所有的兄弟姐妹拜年!祝福牛年大吉!
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发表于 2009-1-25 04:49:58 | 显示全部楼层
祝福LZ过年好!祝福一切顺利如愿望解决!!!!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-26 12:42:47 | 显示全部楼层
今天去COSTCO去给以前的一个中国同事拜年,同事告诉我:二周前房东到COSTCO大吵大闹,非要找我以前的老板,让我的前老板吧我交出来,说我欠了她一个月的房租不给,跑掉了。老板冷冷的说:Angel今天不上班,转身就进办公室了,关了门。女房东就在门口,大声宣布我的劣迹,“什么弄坏了她多少贵重物品啊”“弄脏了她的地毯啊”,欠了房租跑掉了”之类的,引来众多同事围观。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-26 12:49:48 | 显示全部楼层
那个女同事说:始终觉得我不像那样的人,想来想去想不通,所以,今天考虑再三,才决定说给我听。我把事情告诉了她。她说:同事们(西人同事)见我几周没露面,也以为我欠钱逃跑了,也都相信了。我解释说:因为上次房东叮叮当当修屋顶,狗叫,邻居投诉,迫不得已被房东接了回去,让老板给开除警告了,之后给我排的班越来越少,女房东来闹过之后,就没给我排了。 同事让我马上去找女老板,解释清楚,她说:人的名誉最重要了!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-26 12:52:38 | 显示全部楼层
我马上跑去老板办公室,说了事情始末,老板对上次修屋顶,请假的事情记忆犹新,很快就明白了。聪明的老板。 她说下周就开始为我排班,她并不知道我经历了这样的事情。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-1-26 12:55:03 | 显示全部楼层
可是其他的同事呢!那么多同事,我怎么能一一解释清楚呢?房东,真的很可怕,不但要我的钱,还威胁我,诋毁我。同为中国人,怎么能。。。?
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