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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-27 06:28:14 | 显示全部楼层
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Students protest against tuition fee hikes in front of the education ministry office Thursday, April 26, 2012 in Montreal. (Ryan Remiorz / THE CANADIAN PRESS)
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In this April 19, 2012 file photo, Quebec Education Minister Line Beauchamp responds to Opposition questions over tuition hikes at the legislature in Quebec City. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jacques Boissinot


Updated: Thu Apr. 26 2012 5:21:14 PM

CTVNews.ca
The bitter stalemate between the Quebec government and the province's student federations hardened amid further mutual recriminations on Thursday. One prominent cabinet minister accused a student leader of inciting violence because of his ambiguous stance on the vandalism and mayhem that have marred many protests.
Student leaders responded by levelling accusations of intransigence in the increasingly acrimonious debate over planned tuition hikes.
The very idea of a negotiated settlement remains moot for now.
Education Minister Line Beauchamp rejected further talks with the students because of their demand that two members from a more radical group be involved. The rejection came on the same day that Montreal's mayor called for a negotiated settlement.

Beauchamp has said there would be no negotiations with members of a student federation known as the CLASSE
The government believes the group has not done enough to condemn the violence over the past two months.
Talks between the two sides aimed at settling their bitter tuition dispute ended Wednesday when the CLASSE was kicked out, the government claimed it wasn't respecting a truce on protests.
That prompted the other student groups to walk out and, with negotiations suspended, protesters soon spilled out into the streets with one Montreal demonstration degenerating into window-smashing, rock-tossing vandalism late Wednesday.
One of those student federations said Thursday the talks would resume Friday with two representatives of the CLASSE replacing its own members.
Not so quick, was the reply from a spokeswoman for Beauchamp as she shot down that potential scenario.
"You can't have something indirectly if you're not getting it directly," said Helene Sauvageau.
The most recent backdrop to the standoff was a protest in Montreal on Wednesday night that degenerated into chaos, including shattered windows and vandalized cars.
Some protesters fired paintballs at police and media, while authorities responded by pepper-spraying protesters in their path.
The end result: 85 arrests and three injured police officers.
On Thursday, several hundred students staged a noisy -- but peaceful -- protest outside Beauchamp's Montreal offices.
Manon Perron, a spokeswoman for one of Quebec's main labour federations, urged the Charest government to give negotiations with the students a chance.
"They (the government) are just putting oil on the fire," Perron said.
Perron also said too much focus has been placed on the mayhem that has plagued many of the demonstrations.
"It's too bad people are emphasizing the violence because taking to the streets is democracy and people want to voice their political position."
Perron said Quebec students are fighting for future generations -- and that people outside the province are supporting their fight.
The Liberal government wants to hike tuition by $325 a year for the next five years. That would mean annual tuition fees of about $3,800, which would still be among the lowest in Canada.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-27 06:35:52 | 显示全部楼层
我在反思,为什么我们这么默然,其实这些也同样涉及我们的孩子们呀。他们未来也要涉及这些问题啊。
好象不应该有一种隔岸观火的态度。
就在离我几条街上发生的事情。我觉得我的态度有些...不明朗。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-27 06:38:01 | 显示全部楼层
为什么我一评分,就显示:你不能对同一帖子重复评分
刘可可 发表于 2012-4-25 05:13

突然一换头像都不知你是男是女了,以前好象觉得是女的...难道我错了?
或者他是你喜欢的偶像?有些疑惑...这是个有争议的人....
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-27 06:39:32 | 显示全部楼层
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sanyi 发表于 2012-4-27 06:28

JPVILLA
Here's a few ideas:

CLASSE: denounce violence, in all forms, period. No play on words, no omissions...just denounce violent like the mature adults you are trying to be.

Perron (and any other labour union rep): mind your own business. This issue has absolutely nothing to do with you - you have already been coaching these student groups (this is more than obvious) and you are part of the real problem.

Peacefull protesters: Denounce violence. If you see individuals being violent, stop them. Unfortunately, since you are witnesses to these acts, you are responsible for doing something to stop the violence. You should also accept that there is no guarantee that the government will give you what you want. Governments will not negotiate with terrorists, which what you are starting to resemble. Yes, of course, not all of you are terrorists, but there are many in your ranks. If you don't get what you want, well, c'est la vie. At least you tried.

Charest goverment and protesters: if negotiations continue, be open for a solution.

Everyone else: respect your fellow citizen, and peace.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-27 06:44:25 | 显示全部楼层
好不容易逮着一点英语的新闻读读。其实也不是不容易,只是每天早上的免费报纸都是法语的,要稍微用心地搜一下才读得到英文的。
Quebec's protesting students: Who are they, and what do they want?  View larger image
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Student Catherine Cote-Ostiguy poses for a photograph at her apartment in Montreal, Monday, April 23, 2012. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Graham Hughes


Updated: Thu Apr. 26 2012 4:24:37 PM

By Stefani Forster, The Canadian Press
MONTREAL — Two of them study French literature, one is a musician and another will be teaching high school next year. What do these young people have in common?
All are students involved in the protest movement that is sweeping the province and garnering some international attention.
They oppose Quebec's tuition hike, which would see university fees rise about 75 per cent over the next five years to about $3,800 a year.
The increase would still leave Quebec with some of the country's lowest university rates, prompting many observers to wonder: Why are these students protesting so aggressively?
The Canadian Press contacted students through their involvement in Facebook groups and student associations, asking them to explain why they became involved in the movement and what results they want to achieve.
In light of recent protests that have become disruptive, some did not want to be publicly associated with the movement and refused to be interviewed. Two asked, after having already been interviewed, to have their names removed. One asked not to be photographed.
Here are six students who were willing to publicly share their stories.
Catherine Cote-Ostiguy
Master's student in French literature at McGill University
Age: 25
Career aspirations: Wants to work in the publishing industry after finishing her thesis.
Involvement: Active in the movement since its inception. Her poem-turned-YouTube video, called Speak Red, has almost 50,000 views to date. It's based on the classic Quebecois poem "Speak White," first recited in 1970 as a complaint against anti-francophone prejudice.
What she wants: Says ongoing events are not just a student movement, but a social movement with tuition fees being the first step. Says the government no longer reflects the people's will, and the protest goal is to "take back our society."
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Nick Lanctot
Third-year music student at CEGEP de Saint-Laurent
Age: 20
Career aspirations: Unsure of his future goals, but would like to make a living by playing, writing and teaching music.
Involvement: Hails from the West Island of Montreal. Says he had never been involved in activism or interested in politics until entering CEGEP and becoming friends with students who -- unlike himself -- struggled financially and became active in the anti-tuition protests.
What he wants: Tuition hike doesn't personally affect him as his parents pay for his education, but says he's protesting to support his fellow students. Believes the protests have taken on a broader, social scope against the "the capitalist system in place right now."
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Hardial Rosner
Third-year Spanish major at Concordia University
Age: 22
Career aspirations: Originally wanted to go into politics, but says she now wants to practise human-rights law.
Involvement: A self-described communist who joined the student protests while attending Dawson College. Says her parents -- who were involved in the Marxist-Leninist Party in the 1980s in Winnipeg -- influenced her values and sense of social activism.
What she wants: Tuition freeze; ideally, tuition "should be free across the planet," but freezing current fees is a small step of what she sees as a larger goal. Says it also isn't just about the money, but about standing up to a government she believes has taken too many liberties against people.
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Elizabeth Foley
Third-year education student at Universite de Montreal
Age: 25
Career aspirations: Has tentative plans to become a high-school teacher by the fall of 2013.
Involvement: As a student and future teacher, says she is passionate about making education accessible. When the tuition hike was announced in 2011, she worried it would prevent certain people from going to school and began attending her university's information sessions.
What she wants: Tuition freeze. Also believes the protests have become part of a larger, societal issue. Is calling on the government to stop placing capital interests "above the interests of the people."
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Ethan Feldman
Fourth-year philosophy major at McGill University
Age: 23
Career aspirations: Uncertain about his plans, but is looking to pursue further graduate studies in philosophy and teaching.
Involvement: First covered the student hikes while writing for the McGill Daily newspaper. As the paper's resident rabble-rouser, became more actively involved as the protest movement grew.
What he wants: Says the protests over tuition hikes are part of what has become a bigger movement that is exposing broader social injustices in the province. Says re-freezing tuition would be a great first step, but wants the government to recognize and re-evaluate its "capitalist policies."
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Rosalie Dion-Picard
Master's student in French literature at Universite de Montreal
Age: 24
Career aspirations: Wants to pursue her PhD in French literature or be a CEGEP teacher.
Involvement: Has had a role in student activism since joining her junior-college student union and participating in the 2005 Quebec strike against budget cuts to the loans and bursaries program. Sought to be part of the student mobilization when the hike was announced last year.
What she wants: Tuition fees to stay as they are. She would at least like to see a lowering of the hike or an extension of the five-year phase-in period. Has bigger goals -- says the protests have raised social consciousness and Quebec needs to "have a vision" about the kind of province it wants to be.

LorraineH
Would have been nice if the Canadian Press had found:

6 Students who disagreed with the protest.

6 Students who disagreed with the tuition hike but also disagreed with the way the protest is being conducted and with intimidating other students preventing them from completing their Semesters.

6 Students who agreed with the protest but spoke out against the violent turn the protest has taken.

They're out there but their imput wouldn't have the same impact as interviewing protestors.

I guess the emphasis is on those protesting and not those trying, against odds, to complete their education and join the rest of us capitalists and earn a living to pay taxes so we can continue to fund education to the tune of 87% of the total cost.

Jufjaji
They've all pretty much said they believe and support that "the protests have taken on a broader, social scope against the "the capitalist system in place right now."" Average age of these individuals, 23.17 years. In my opinion, in think they need to experience "real life" a little bit longer and a liitle bit more. Not that they don't have a say, they do, but I sure wouldn't want any one of them "ruling" the province based on their experience. Pay your dues for another 20 years or so, and then maybe we can talk!

Chris
So the justifications for the reign of terror and destruction launched on the Montreal public (the people who pay the taxes to send these monsters to school in the first place) is due to the fact that these terrorists (that's what you call people who use violence to make a political statement) want change in the government and how it governs this province. Wow.
Can any one please tell me exactly how many of them voted in an election or joined a political party so that they can effect change according to a democratic process?
Yup like just like I thought. None.

Ontario Student
I can see it now....thousands of angry "taxpayers" mentioning how none of these students are in law, or medicine or sciences lol.

But that aside, I think the problem is that people at that age are not an organized body. A handful can easily wear a red square and trash someplace and it gives the students a bad rep.

I think that like in life, there's reasonable students, students that don't wanna bother and a bunch of whiny kids.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-27 07:48:56 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 sanyi 于 2012-4-27 07:51 编辑

政治,我们真的可以远离吗?

其实,我想说,无论我们移民是什么目的,无论我们对我们的祖国有怎么样的不满意,无论我们走得有多远,我们永远都是中国人,我们的心永远是中国心,我们的祖先早已给我们烙上中国印。

现在上课的班上人齐的时候有28个人,中间大概有8,9个看着是中国面孔的人。其中有大陆的,有香港的,台湾的。
其中几个年纪稍长的女性我们在早到或课堂间隙或课堂上都有些接触,基本还是正常。
但有一个年轻一点的中国面孔男人,当我们友好地向他打招呼时,他总是不回应,但是听他讲话应该是大陆北方那边的人,感觉他有些怪,所以也不跟他聊天了。
今天的分组对话,分到了一个三人小组,除我外,还有一个乌兹别克斯坦的中年男性,今天知道他是1948年出生的,看得出是受过良好的教育的,是历史老师,我估计是教授,有着翩翩风度,会弹一手好钢琴,早上早到的时候听他弹奏过教室后面的电子钢琴,非常好听。一天早晨,当我哼起love story的歌时,他立刻弹了出来,非常好听。
三人小组的另一个人,今天才知道他是台湾人,扭捏了半天知道他是生于1960年代的,是台北人。
当乌兹别克斯坦的老师说他是chinese时,他居然否认,说,no,他是台湾人,指着我,她才是chinese。
我心里立刻明白了,面前坐着的是一个至少有着台独思想的人。
他是统计学master,在美国读master时认识的现在的太太,是加拿大人,所以跟着来加拿大了。
我心里立刻对他有了反感。我感觉我那颗敏感的心立刻排斥起他了。
连一个自己的祖国也不认的人,我要跟他交流吗?
乌兹别克斯坦的教授还在继续跟他辩论,难道台湾不是中国吗?
看,连老外都知道的道理,居然有些中国人都不知道。
这一刻,我觉得我没法远离政治。

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发表于 2012-4-27 07:57:37 | 显示全部楼层
286# sanyi

他是统计学master,在美国读master时认识的现在的太太,是加拿大人,所以跟着来加拿大了。---------
我估计他在美国也是混个学历而已,否则也不会再跑到这里来学习英语了。


----------我心里立刻对他有了反感。我感觉我那颗敏感的心立刻排斥起他了。
连一个自己的祖国也不认的人,我要跟他交流吗?
乌兹别克斯坦的教授还在继续跟他辩论,难道台湾不是中国吗?
看,连老外都知道的道理,居然有些中国人都不知道。
这一刻,我觉得我没法远离政治。--------------

是的,好多台湾人、香港人,他们骨子里都不承认自己是中国人。
无所谓,别理他们就是了。
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发表于 2012-4-27 07:59:46 | 显示全部楼层
287# life007

我们班级上一广东妹妹,都不原意和我们这些北方人说话的。
偶基本就当她是外国人,不理她就是了。

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发表于 2012-4-27 10:04:37 | 显示全部楼层
突然一换头像都不知你是男是女了,以前好象觉得是女的...难道我错了?
或者他是你喜欢的偶像?有些疑惑...这是个有争议的人....
sanyi 发表于 2012-4-27 06:38

你没错,我是女滴。
这个是我的偶像,虽然他犯过错,但我还是喜欢他。因为喜欢他的时候他还没犯错呢。
记得年轻的时候还梦见过他,跟他说不在乎名份,就是喜欢他要跟他。后来把这个梦跟单位里的同事们一讲,大家一致认为(心底里认为)我很有当小三的潜质,并大力培养我。幸亏我意志坚定,没有铸成大错啊。

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发表于 2012-4-27 10:08:42 | 显示全部楼层
我感觉,绝大部分台湾人都不认为自己是中国人。我也碰到过好几个。他们有的也不一定就是台独,只是他们从小受到的教育就是那样的。

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发表于 2012-4-27 10:12:01 | 显示全部楼层
这次罢课,感觉到即使所谓民主,学生也真正是弱势

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发表于 2012-4-27 18:42:33 | 显示全部楼层
这次罢课,感觉到即使所谓民主,学生也真正是弱势
dabei 发表于 2012-4-27 10:12

在任何国家,警察、军队都是统治阶级的工具。
民主也是相对的。
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发表于 2012-4-28 00:46:40 | 显示全部楼层
请问一下,报税表他们收到后有回执不?寄出去好久了,不知道他们收到没有?
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发表于 2012-4-28 03:52:53 | 显示全部楼层
请问一下,报税表他们收到后有回执不?寄出去好久了,不知道他们收到没有?
lusenbaobao 发表于 2012-4-28 00:46

等税务局给你的信,没啥回执。
第一次保税后,估计在6--7月份左右会接到信。

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发表于 2012-4-28 09:58:56 | 显示全部楼层
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-4-30 06:52:37 | 显示全部楼层
今天女儿的乒乓球技进步不少,打和平球最多可以打17个来回了。

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发表于 2012-4-30 07:31:33 | 显示全部楼层
今天女儿的乒乓球技进步不少,打和平球最多可以打17个来回了。
sanyi 发表于 2012-4-30 06:52


熟能生巧.
多久打一次?
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发表于 2012-4-30 19:39:44 | 显示全部楼层
偶今天刚刚把报税的事情搞完!最后一天了。
上午取出送表。
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发表于 2012-4-30 20:29:20 | 显示全部楼层
偶今天刚刚把报税的事情搞完!最后一天了。
上午取出送表。
life007 发表于 2012-4-30 19:39

我们是星期六下午寄的表,还以为是最晚的呢,看来只有更晚,没有最晚啊~~~~~~
想问一下,你是从哪儿取出,然后送表呢?

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发表于 2012-4-30 20:35:07 | 显示全部楼层
我们是星期六下午寄的表,还以为是最晚的呢,看来只有更晚,没有最晚啊~~~~~~
想问一下,你是从哪儿取出,然后送表呢?
刘可可 发表于 2012-4-30 20:29

嗯,那两个字打错了,
不是“取出”,是“出去”送表。
因为前半个月忙着考试的事情,所以没有过多的时间填写这些表。
昨天刚刚考试结束,才有整块的时间填表。
现在就出去送表!直接送到税务局的信箱中。
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