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Black Americans sometimes get pissed off because other non-white people immigrate to America and immediately have a higher place in the social order than they do.
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One thing I've noticed in North America is that black people are hypersensitive about people talking about their skin color or origins. I remember when we started school some students from all over the world got together at a cafe to introduce ourselves to each other, with one part of it being telling where we were from and what ethnic background we had. A white girl said her father was Norweigan, a white guy said his background was German, and maybe some Irish an Iranian guy said he was Persian... But the black girl from Washington State said her backgdound was Japanese. Yuck. She was everything except African.
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There are positive stereotypes about Asian people, that's for sure.
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Asian is only an American term, which is not correct. Indians and Pakistani people are also Asian.
There are also negative stereotypes about Chinese and Japanese. There are also untrue positive stereotypes about Chinese--for example, white people think Chinese are humble and polite, which is absolutely not true. Mainland Chinese people are very good at self-marketing and can be very rude and nasty.
I have heard negative stereotypes about Chinese, more than Japanese, that they are not tidy, they talk loud, and they are materialistic and money-driven, snobby, etc. I think these are true to my experiences.
In general Chinese are not a clean or tidy people, as opposed to Japanese. Many Chinese in North America are shocked when they see how clean and tidy their white neighbors are. Just look at their kitchen and bathroom.
There's no beauty in the Chinese eye. They don't spend time decorating their home. I've been to wealthy Chinese people's big houses in Vancouver, and they have no idea where to put a handicraft or where to hang a painting. I went to this super rich Singaporean gentleman's house in a rich area, on a mountain, in a forest, with ocean view. The house had floor to ceiling glass so you could see the trees and deer in the forest. But speaking of taste, it was poor. He put his grandchildren's stuffed animals in a vintage looking bookcase.
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And Asian men are not perceived as threatening, as black men are. So black women tend to get jobs easier than black men, which has an effect on their family or male/female relationships.
Obviously there's going to be prejudice about any small dark people, but the fact that Asians are generally smaller and often more restrained in manner of expressing themselves makes them seem less threatening.
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Koreans can be very aggressive and are very likely to get into violence when they are provoked.
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There is a very special history of violence between black and white people due to slavery.
I think you are fairly familiar with the types of stereotypes of Asian people in north America. One of them which I find rather funny is the idea that Asians are law abiding, because they don't openly challenge authority. In China often seems that laws are simply obstacles to get around. I'm sure anyone working in immigration law doesn't have this mistaken belief.
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I dont quite get you. chinese people like to get around laws and rules.
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There is also the stereotype that Asian people - particularly Japanese and Chinese - are all smart. Obviously that's not true either,
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That's true. If you google, you will find lots of info about that. The British Menza IQ score tests have proven that. But it has also been condemned for sounding racist.
The casinos in Canada like to hire Chinese/Japanese, mostly because they are all good at mathematics. For black jack or roulette, as a card dealer you have to calculate very fast, and if you make a mistake you are dead.
In China people also doubt it, coz some argue that if Chinese and Japanese are smart, why is none of the modern inventions created by a Chinese person? Like telephone, television, vehicles, etc.
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but the cultures do emphasize education and those with the best ability find it easiest to come to the US, so it biases perceptions.
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Education in China is far behind USA, it is a tool to brainwash kids. Those who come to the US to study are the luckiest and maybe have SOME money if they are not super rich, but they are certainly not the best students. I don't think the majority of students can afford the application fees, postage, TOEFL fee, GRE fee, plus transcript request fee, to get into a US university. Plus they have to pay to have TOEFL and GRE training, and they normally apply for more than 5 universities. That's a lot of money. Therefore, I would doubt those who can go to a university in US are the best.
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Those stereotypes create high expectations for more ordinary Asian kids born in the states, and subjects them to jealousy from peers.
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I feel sorry for those Chinese kids born in North America. Ive met quite many of them there, and they are neither Chinese or American or Canadian. Though they may speak without an accent, they are not even bi-cultural.
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No matter how tempting it may be to believe that Asian people are smarter, there are dumb Asian people too, and lazy ones, too, just as there are smart and less smart people everywhere.
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We have to look at the whole people, not the individual cases or exceptions.
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There are stereotypes of Japanese as people who subordinate their individuality to the group to an extreme degree, a perception left from WWII that they are like ants or machines, that was particularly fostered by kamikazi pilots who used their planes as bombs, committing suicide. Japanese culture definitely valorizes suicide - for face-related issues - in ways that Americans find shocking.
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I'm amazed how many pepole commit suicide in Japan each year.
I've heard Tokyo is ten times cleaner than Vancouver, given the population of over 30 million, isnt that amazing?
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What else? I think you know all that. I think the other groups you name are seen differently than Chinese and Japanese - Vietnamese, Philippinos, etc. - because they come from less developed countries and they are perhaps seen as less disciplined.
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I have worked with Philipinos, along with employees from all over the world, including East Europe. My Philipino co-workers are sweet. They are like other Asian employees, if they are badly treated they never complain or defend.
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One other stereotype of China is that people there are very collectivist rather than individualistic. Chinese often complain that they lack a certain "tuan jie li" or public spiritedness in contrast to this western perception.
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Chinese people are notorius for hating each other. One thing Ive noticed in canada is that the people THERE love to be a leader of a project but otherwise they do grear teamwork. Chinese only want to be a leader, if they are not selected to be a leader, they will not cooperate in a teamwork
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Sexuality? You know the story. Asian men have trouble getting dates with non-Asian women in the States. There's a stereotype that they are more patriarchal than other cultures, and woudl treat women unfairly.
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Especially Japs and Koreans.
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They are seen as smaller and not sexually desirable. As timid rather than bold. This stereotype won't apply to you because of the way you interact with people. If it is any comfort to you, the situation of Asian men in north America is precisely the reverse of my situation here in Asia.
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I agree.
China, maybe the East, represents Yin, and the West is Yang. So if you compare China to a woman, then the West is a man.
Chinese poetry always praises the moon, whicn is Yin, hardly to the Sun which is yang. In Western culture, you hardly see any worship of the moon, but the sun, instead.
The protagonists in Chinese classics and theater are men with female features, while in Western culture, you see lots of macho Sparta type of heroes.
But I find it interesting that across the china-russia border, all the interracial marriages there are between a Russian woman and a Chinese man. You hardly see any Russian man with a Chinese woman. |
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