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讨论: 会计的未来和发展

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发表于 2006-1-9 11:54:09 | 显示全部楼层

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Post by sarahzj
谢谢参与!奖励!

Im-Julia,你够迅速的啦!按理说,你应该今天就开始上课了吧!

今天去BCIT了,感觉这个课程好贵呀!你是否申请了Financial Aid? 还有,你做的应该是pre-entry communication test吧,感觉如何?

如果顺利,没准我们能成为同学呢!哈哈,开心
你们2个都很快呀.
我是不是也去读读英语再说呢?!郁闷啊
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发表于 2006-1-9 14:28:48 | 显示全部楼层

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读了两天英语,如果让我形容一下我的感受的话,就是:读书实在不易!能够选择读书的人,一定也是下了不知道多大,多久的决心.一旦真正迈入课堂,还是要受到很大的冲击的!

周六第一天,早晨8:30到学校,要上7个小时课.老师是匈牙利移民,发音还有口音,说得非常快,不管你听得懂听不懂.班上有二十个左右的学生,除了五个非中国人以外,剩下的都是中国人.下午两点,我困得眼发直,脑子已经不转了.老师看出来了,叫我的名字,让我做练习,我根本不知道说什么,就和她大眼对小眼(和她比,我算是小眼)的对视.就这样,让老师点了我三次名字.下课的时候,我跟老师解释了一下,说前一天睡得太晚了.

作业留了很多,我居然连作业留得是什么都没记全,我作了不到一个小时,却听同学说做了三个小时.我便知道肯定我没做全.周日又讲了一天,老师在上面讲,也很少和学生有互动,估计她想互动,下面的学生也不明白她想怎么样.只有一个伊朗的女同学听力和口语都不错,其他的可能水平都有限.今天已经有一个小测验,每周上完第二天的课都有小测验,成绩算入总分.

这才只是攻能进入专业学习的敲门砖,如果英语达不到要求,根本不能上FULL TIME的课程.因为受了挺大震动,和朋友讲了讲自己的感受,没有别的办法,只能坚持一段看看吧,也许适应了,习惯了就好了.因为上课听懂并能理解的东西有限,所以下课要花很大量的时间自己搞懂它,所以几乎业余时间都得学习了.

本想专门发个帖子说说读书两天的深刻感受,又怕吓着想读还没动的同学,更怕动摇国内摇摆派登陆的信心,所以还是写在这里给同道们看看,大家互相沟通一下吧.当然,万事开头难,希望能够越来越顺利,感觉能变好些.
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-1-10 13:58:01 | 显示全部楼层

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Post by Jessica118
做决定真的不容易。我原来在国内也是做会计的,不过我是半路出家的,现在还在犹豫是否继续选择会计职业。我现在在Douglas College念外语,准备申请读它的正式课程。

新移民选择会计的比较多,可能是因为中国人在数学计算方面比较擅长的缘故,但如果光读一个certificate,也只能找一个最下层的会计工作,薪水比较低下,和打工比也高不了多少。如果要取得CGA,CPA等证书,没有一个长期充分的吃...

谢谢参与!+奖励

非常同意:做决定真的不容易!!不过,这也说明我们成熟了,对自己和社会了解更多了,所以做任何决定更慎重啦,可以说对自己更负责啦!另一方面,也说明我们都老了,再也经不起几个4年计划,几个5年的尝试!!!希望大家都做出自己正确的选择!

关于会计工作新水低的问题,虽然薪水不高,但最起码工作的环境和心情应该比labour工好些!虽然拿到CGA,CPA需要付出很多,但是那毕竟有希望,充满希望的日子就会很开心!
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-1-10 14:11:29 | 显示全部楼层

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Post by Im-Julia
读了两天英语,如果让我形容一下我的感受的话,就是:读书实在不易!能够选择读书的人,一定也是下了不知道多大,多久的决心.一旦真正迈入课堂,还是要受到很大的冲击的!

周六第一天,早晨8:30到学校,要上7个小时课.老师是匈牙利移民,发音还有口音,说得非常快,不管你听得懂听不懂.班上有二十个左右的学生,除了五个非中国人以外,剩下的都是中国人.下午两点,我困得眼发直,脑子已经不转了.老师看出来了,叫我...

谢谢你把这么宝贵的经验介绍到这里!!!

其实我也挺怀疑BCIT的ESL课程,时间短,仅仅6周一个级别,而且又太集中,学生没有时间消化;但是没办法,如果想上BCIT的FULL time课程,这是一个相对比较快的途径。

又得到了一个“噩耗”,老师竟然有口音?5555,这不是难为我们嘛!考验我们!

很多人形容BCIT是一个“炼人炉”!!!!可想而知呀!做好心理准备吧!

不过IM-Julia,我能理解你第一天上课地感受,我不知道你以前是否在加拿大别的学校上过英语课。我刚开始上高中的时候,真是“苦”!听不懂太多,也不敢跟老师沟通,但是上过一个学期后,感觉好多了!而且当你熟悉老师上课的思路后,接受起来会比较轻松!

支持+U
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-1-10 14:13:17 | 显示全部楼层

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Post by 兔八哥
你们2个都很快呀.
我是不是也去读读英语再说呢?!郁闷啊

兔八哥,不要郁闷!行动起来,我现在发现,只有行动起来,才能找到自己想要的答案!
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-1-10 14:16:31 | 显示全部楼层

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To Im-Julia:我下周参加BCIT的pre-entry测试,如果方便,能否介绍一下这方面的情况和感受!

多谢!
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发表于 2006-1-10 15:11:28 | 显示全部楼层

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Post by sarahzj
To Im-Julia:我下周参加BCIT的pre-entry测试,如果方便,能否介绍一下这方面的情况和感受!

多谢!

刚看到你的问题,我正在复习功课,不好意思!

我是11月底参加的. 共分两个部分, 一部分是选择填空, 一部分是写作.两部分时间是分开的, 就是先在固定的时间里做选择题部分,好象是四十分钟? 我觉得时间挺紧的,可能还是我做得慢的缘故,不过都将将做完.最后一部分是冠词的使用,你重点复习一下.给你一段文字,让你用A, AN, THE 填空.我觉得整个选择题部分挺简单的.但是不知道为什么最后还是定级0003?所以很失望,已经受了一次打击了!

作文部分是一个小时. 内容是: 一个电脑商店,为了宣传自己, 决定给BCIT的学生免费提供五台电脑,可以使用一年. 你是一个学生, 希望得到这个机会,于是给电脑店写一封信,说服他们你为什么需要这台电脑,说服他们把电脑给你.

就是这样.考完以后我觉得很累,但是觉得考得很好,可是收到成绩却很失望.

不知道你的英语怎么样,如果英语基础比较好的话,为什么不参加BCIT那个交90块钱的那种考试呢?我的朋友曾劝我两个一起考,但是我得到这个的结果以后,就彻底没指望考那个了.

祝你:好运!
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-1-12 03:24:26 | 显示全部楼层

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那个考试太贵了,不敢轻易试!网站上介绍说是90,但是我今天收到BCIT的信,竟然从90改称了195!太恐怖拉
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发表于 2006-1-12 10:41:14 | 显示全部楼层

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佩服JULIA,行动很快.接受SARA的批评
那个90元的考试非常非常难,据说比T还难,参加的话要有思想准备.分2部分,词汇和阅读.
在这里跟同道们说一声,今天我下了决心,申请了2门课程,钱已经花了,心疼S我了.
能不能听懂,跟上,天知道了
交钱的时候,我跟那个BCIT的服务人员SORRY 了几次,估计她都搞不懂这么简单的都要重复,将来怎么上课?
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-1-12 15:11:08 | 显示全部楼层

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Post by 兔八哥
佩服JULIA,行动很快.接受SARA的批评
那个90元的考试非常非常难,据说比T还难,参加的话要有思想准备.分2部分,词汇和阅读.
在这里跟同道们说一声,今天我下了决心,申请了2门课程,钱已经花了,心疼S我了.
能不能听懂,跟上,天知道了
交钱的时候,我跟那个BCIT的服务人员SORRY 了几次,估计她都搞不懂这么简单的都要重复,将来怎么上课?

八哥同学,你是否试过申请他们的Financial Aid!如果申请到了,你就不用心疼啦!

俺什么时候批评八哥同学了?5555 Bad Sarah
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-1-13 07:58:42 | 显示全部楼层

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为了更了解会计,俺找到了Accountant Profile!!如果你想了解其他的职位,可以访问:http://www.alis.gov.ab.ca/occinfo/Content/RequestAction.asp?Keyword=tester&cmdGO=GO&aspAction=GetTitlesSearchKeyword&format=html&Page=TitleSearch&Results=TRUE&SNT_ID=55


                               
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Accountants provide financial reporting and consulting services for organizations and individuals.
NOC Number(s):1111.2Educational Requirements:4 years post-secondary education/trainingEmployment Outlook:Employment turnover plus average occupational growth in Alberta[URL="http://www.alis.gov.ab.ca/occinfo/IndustryDescriptions/interest_explanation.html"]Interests:[url=http://javascript<b></b>penInterestProfileWindow('Accountant','1111.2','M I D');]M I D[/url]Duties | Working Conditions | Personal Characteristics | Education | Employment | Salary | Other Information | Related Occupations | Related School Subjects | Related Field of Study
Duties Accountants work in business and industrial organizations, educational institutions, government and private firms that offer accounting services to the public. Duties vary from one position to another but, in general, accountants:

  • design and administer accounting and information systems that include records of assets, liabilities and business transactions
  • prepare budgets, tax returns and financial statements
  • analyze financial information to assist in planning financial management policies, business strategies and the control and use of business assets
  • provide personal and corporate income tax and estate planning services
  • provide internal and external auditing services (for more information, see the Internal Auditor occupational profile)
  • make recommendations regarding solutions to business and financial problems
  • provide support in litigation matters
  • serve as bankruptcy trustees and business valuators.
Accountants may have one of three professional designations:

  • Certified General Accountant (CGA)
  • Certified Management Accountant (CMA)
  • Chartered Accountant (CA)
Working Conditions Accountants usually work in an office setting. Their hours of work vary depending on the organization and level of responsibility but overtime is often required at company budgeting time, month end or in late winter and early spring (when public accountants are busy with year end corporate work and personal income tax returns). Depending on the position, some travel may be required.

Personal Characteristics Accountants need the following characteristics:

  • good oral and written communication skills
  • critical thinking, logical analysis and problem solving skills
  • the ability to work alone and as part of a team
  • high ethical standards.
They should enjoy:

  • having clear rules and organized methods to guide their activities
  • developing innovative solutions to problems
  • directing the activities of others.
Educational Requirements section revised DECEMBER 2005Training to become an accountant involves a combination of related post-secondary education and practical experience. Specific requirements vary depending on the professional designation.
To be certified by the Institute of Chartered Accountants of Alberta(ICCA), Chartered Accountants must:

  • have a university degree or an equivalent combination of education and experience
  • be employed with a CA firm approved to train students
  • enrol in and complete the Chartered Accountants School of Business (CASB) program which includes online facilitated learning modules and group interactive learning meetings with facilitators.
Overall, after allowing for study leaves, two to three years are generally required to complete the ICAA program. The final national exam is generally completed before experience requirements.
To be certified by the Society of Management Accountants of Alberta, Certified Management Accountants must:

  • have a university degree with 18 prerequisite syllabus topics
  • pass the national CMA entrance exam
  • complete the two year Strategic Leadership Program while employed full time in a qualifying accounting-related management position.
To be certified by the Certified General Accountants' Association of Alberta, Certified General Accountants must:

  • have a bachelor's degree. CGA has agreements with post-secondary institutions that allow students to concurrrently study for the CGA designation as well as earn a bachelor's degree.
  • complete 18 courses. Individuals who have taken equivalent post-secondary education courses may be granted exemptions up to a maximum of 14 transfer credits. Courses may be taken prior to obtaining employment in the accounting field but the program is designed for people who are working full-time.
  • a minimum of twenty four months of full-time practical experience in finance and accounting.
Prospective students are strongly advised to check specific requirements and course suitability with the appropriate professional association, institute or society before enroling in post-secondary program.
In Alberta, the following post-secondary institutions offer degree programs in accounting.

  • Athabasca University offers a four year Bachelor of Commerce degree program with a major in accounting. Anyone 16 years of age or older may apply for this distance education program.
  • Grande Prairie Regional College offers a Bachelor of Commerce program in conjunction with Athabasca University.
  • Grant MacEwan College in Edmonton offers a Bachelor of Applied Business Administration - Accounting degree program. Applicants for this two year program must have an Alberta business administration diploma in accounting (or equivalent) including specified courses with a minimum grade point average (GPA) of 2.3 on a 4.0 scale .
  • Lakeland College in Vermilion offers a Bachelor of Applied Financial Services degree program. Applicants for this two year program must have a recognized two year diploma in business administration.
  • Mount Royal College in Calgary offers a four year Bachelor of Applied Accounting degree program. The entrance requirement is a high school diploma with a 60 per cent average in English Language Arts 30-1 (or English 30), Pure Math 30 and three other appropriate Grade 12 subjects.
  • The Northern Alberta Institute of Technology (NAIT) in Edmonton offers a Bachelor of Applied Business Administration - Accounting degree program that includes two directed field study semesters in industry. Applicants for this four semester program must have a two year business diploma from an accredited institution with specified coursework and a minimum GPA of 2.3.
  • The Southern Alberta Institute of Technology (SAIT) in Calgary offers a Bachelor of Applied Business Administration degree program. Applicants must have a two year business administration or accelerated accounting diploma, or equivalent, with specified coursework and a minimum GPA of 2.3.
  • The University of Alberta in Edmonton offers four year and five year co-op Bachelor of Commerce degree programs with a specialization in accounting. Applicants must have completed one pre-professional year in a Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Science program. In general, the entrance requirement for these programs is a competitive average in English Language Arts 30-1 (or English 30) and four other appropriate 30 level subjects.
  • The University of Calgary offers a four year Bachelor of Commerce degree and five year co-op degree programs with specializations in accounting. The entrance requirement is a high school diploma with a competitive average in English Language Arts 30-1 (or English 30), Pure Math 30 and three of the following: Math 31, Social Studies 30, Biology 30, Chemistry 30, Physics 30, Science 30, a language 30 other than English, one five credit Grade 12 subject.
  • The University of Lethbridge offers a four year Bachelor of Management degree in accounting and five year combined degree programs. The entrance requirement is an average of 65 per cent in English Language Arts 30-1 (or English 30), three other approved 30 level subjects and a fifth approved Grade 12 subject, or an approved business administration/management diploma (for post-diploma admission).
CGA students can earn an Honours Bachelor of Commerce degree by distance education through Laurentian University.
The following post-secondary institutions offer two year Accounting or Business Administration diploma programs:
Admission requirements for these programs vary but generally include a high school diploma or equivalent with a minimum average in specified Grade 12 courses such as English Language Arts 30-1 or 30-2, and Pure or Applied Math 30.
Continuing education programs are often offered on an as needed basis.
For current information about programs and mature student admission policies, please check post-secondary institution calendars or websites.

Employment and Advancement section revised JANUARY 2006Accountants may offer services on a fee-for-service basis or be employed on a salaried basis. They often work for:

  • businesses
  • governments
  • management consultant practices
  • corporate and personal tax preparation offices
  • banks
  • manufacturing companies
  • stock exchanges
  • credit offices
  • public accounting practices
  • educational institutions.
Experienced individuals who have professional accounting designations may advance to management positions or teach at the post-secondary level. Those in public accounting firms can move through the ranks of senior staff to become managers and partners. In industry, they can become:

  • controllers
  • treasurers
  • chief financial officers
  • senior executives.
In government, accountants may be employed as:

  • budget officers
  • internal auditors
  • accounting managers
  • information systems managers
  • senior managers/executives.
Accountants are part of the larger National Occupational Classification 1111: Financial Auditors and Accountants. In Alberta, over 75 per cent of people employed in this classification work in the following industries:
The employment outlook in this occupation will be influenced by a wide variety of factors including:
About 26,400 Albertans are employed in the Financial Auditors and Accountants occupational group which is expected to grow 1.5 to 2.5 per cent each year from 2005 to 2010 in Alberta. It is forecasted that 390 to 660 new positions will be created each year in addition to job openings created by employment turnover. (Note: Since accountants form only a part of the larger occupational group on which this forecast is based, only a portion of the new positions created will be for accountants.)
Employment turnover is expected to increase as members of the baby boom generation retire over the next five to ten years.

Salary According to the 2005 Alberta Wage and Salary Survey, Albertans in the Accountants occupational group working part-time or full-time earned from $14,000 to $194,200 a year. The average salary was $50,600 a year. Accountants who have professional designations generally earn significantly more.

Other Sources of Information Post-secondary institution calendars and websites (see Educational Requirements above)
EDinfo website: www.alis.gov.ab.ca/edinfo
Certified General Accountants Association of Alberta website: www.cga-alberta.org
Institute of Chartered Accountants of Alberta website: www.icaa.ab.ca
Society of Management Accountants of Alberta website: www.cma-alberta.com

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Related High School Subjects Communication Technology; Enterprise and Innovation; Financial Management; Information Processing; Language Arts; Legal Studies; Management and Marketing; and Mathematics
Related Post-Secondary Field of Study Business, Management and Administrative Studies
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发表于 2006-1-13 16:23:00 | 显示全部楼层

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Post by 兔八哥
佩服JULIA,行动很快.

八哥, 你表这样说, 俺脸红得正紧!

你动作比我快多了, PART-TIME已经都注册了! 我还是先啃两级英语看看先!

大家都互相鼓励吧, 一起苦, 再苦也不怕, 那歌怎么唱的------

一路上有你, 苦一点也愿意!
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发表于 2006-2-23 23:30:34 | 显示全部楼层

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我也是学会计的,本科毕业已做了5年会计了,都是在外企,现在这个单位用了SAP的新系统,与国际接轨了.不知国外有没有富士通的SAP系统上线,那样我就能很快适应了.我们单位现在是日本,马来西亚,香港,中国同时用这个软件.有知道这个软件的吗?谈谈你们用后的感觉?
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 楼主| 发表于 2006-2-24 06:23:47 | 显示全部楼层

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Post by laughing
我也是学会计的,本科毕业已做了5年会计了,都是在外企,现在这个单位用了SAP的新系统,与国际接轨了.不知国外有没有富士通的SAP系统上线,那样我就能很快适应了.我们单位现在是日本,马来西亚,香港,中国同时用这个软件.有知道这个软件的吗?谈谈你们用后的感觉?

真不好意思,俺不太了解这个软件呀!俺只知道这里很多公司用ACCPAC~
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发表于 2006-2-24 15:06:28 | 显示全部楼层

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Sarah,你行动好快呀,原来你一早就已开始探讨读书的事情了(可惜我今天才看到这个帖子,不好意思!)而且那么快就已订下方向了-目标明确!
而我如今还在徘徊中...我的GED英语证书可以读些对英语要求稍低的课程,比如儿童早期教育,VCC的会计,Medical office assistant...等,但从长远来看,我更应该选一个适合自己且就业前景较明朗的program。但如果真要读书的话,原来打算暑假回去接儿子过来的计划也许就要打乱了,难受!!!

Sarah,Julia,八哥:你们好样的,读书工作两不误!
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发表于 2006-2-27 12:12:30 | 显示全部楼层

回复: 讨论: 会计的未来和发展

我是学computer science的,在国内做SAP FI/CO  consultant ,到了这里不知道改行做会计呢还是继续IT....
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发表于 2008-3-21 11:30:43 | 显示全部楼层
原帖由 Im-Julia 于 2006-1-7 15:09 发表


支持Sarahzj的总结, 我觉得我还是比较符合以上几个特点的,就是有时候工作头绪一多, 考虑的就不全面了.有一点比较讨厌的是: 一占钱, 我心里就紧张! 这是不是致命的缺点啊!

我也准备上BCIT, 从明天开始读英语COMM ...

我很同意julia的观点,好像心移民的过去的女同志不是学护士就是学会计了,再有就是本身专业是工程师之类的,我也正在准备移民,也担心过去没有专业呢,自己本科是学医的,可是找的工作虽然也属于卫生部门,但不需要用到很多专业知识,有点偏管理了,到了那边岂不是只能打累脖?我是想学个别的专业的,好歹咱也本科毕业实在不想一辈子干累脖,大家帮忙想想还有什么工作适合有家有孩子的妇女呢
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发表于 2008-3-26 16:05:36 | 显示全部楼层
看来大家想法一样,我也正在认真地学会计
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发表于 2011-12-14 10:18:52 | 显示全部楼层
还真没想到前几年会计专业这么热门呢
不知道现在是什么个情况
中国已经是随手一抓一大把了
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